Group: sci.energy
From: Dan Bloomquist
Date: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: EEStor "ultracapitor" -- hype or hope?



H. E. Taylor wrote:

> In article < $ @ >
> Dan Bloomquist wrote:
>
>>
>>This is usenet, get use to it. And my post before yours, above, I told
>>you where you could find the long winded version. And in a post around
>>an hour ago I posted the core argument.
>
> Not in this thread which is completely captured above.
> Do you have a message ID for either "the long winded version"
> or the "core argument"?

Sorry, I'm not going to do the search where you can find a year's worth
of this same eestor yourself.

>>> Otherwise I am willing to wait & let ZENN Motors find out.
>>
>>Then either they are part of the scam or have no one on staff that can
>>do some simple research. The physics are pretty simple.
>>
> I don't know the details of the ZENN - EEStor relationship.
> And I don't know what ZENN knows.
> Evidently neither do you.

You are missing the point. The claim is over three magnitudes of storage
improvement.

>
> PS.
> Have EEStor mentioned a dielectric constant for their new material?

It is not a new material. The patent claim is based on BaTiO3, a
dielectric that has been used for decades.

/ ?isbn=NI000488&page=49

Quote:
"he best commercial high-voltage capacitors achieve an energy density in
the range of J/cm3. This has apparently been extended to about 1
J/cm3 using modified forms of common capacitors materials such as
metallized BOPP and PET film."

Now crunch the numbers in the patent and you will come up with 7000j/cc.
What I wrote about ZENN stands.