alt.energy.homepower

philkryder < @ > wrote in
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> On Jul 22, 11:16 am, z wrote:
>> Trygve Lillefosse wrote
>> innews:dj67a3501o9bqur4mtca5p05nqoavhp5vu@ :
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>>
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>> > On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:13:00 -0500, z wrote:
>>
>> >>Trygve Lillefosse wrote in
>> >>news:0tk4a3dtigetocb566gcig7r653m00kg2v@ :
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>> >>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:34:04 -0400, Just A User
>> >>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>Anthony Matonak wrote:
>> >>>>> David Williams wrote:
>> >>>>>> -> Sign this petition to bring the electric car, which they
>> >>>>>> are keeping -> from us, back to the retail market. Who are
>> >>>>>> "they", and what makes you think they will be influenced by a
>> >>>>>> petition?
>>
>> >>>>> The petition page clearly says General Motors specifically and
>> >>>>> all
>> >>auto
>> >>>>> makers in general. You have to give up your email address to
>> >>>>> "sign"
>> >>so
>> >>>>> I suspect there are evil spammers behind it who don't care
>> >>>>> about the topic.
>>
>> >>>>> The truth to the matter is that both lightweight high energy
>> >>>>> density batteries and carbon fiber are still too expensive to
>> >>>>> make affordable electric cars. Progress is being made on both
>> >>>>> fronts but not
>> >>overnight.
>>
>> >>>>> Anthony
>> >>>>Well what was the name of the Chevy / GM electric car from the
>> >>>>90's? They can make them, but the main problems lie in battery
>> >>>>capacity and charging rate. The last things I remember reading
>> >>>>about the state of both seemed to say that the range per charge
>> >>>>is about 200 to 250 miles and it took 6 to 8 HOURS to charge.
>> >>>>Clearly 200 miles is more than MOST people drive in one day, but
>> >>>>for some people who need more range per
>> >>day
>> >>>> the range per charge and or the charge rate would need to be
>> >>improved.
>>
>> >>> After what I know the electric cars that were offered like EV1,
>> >>> Rav4, that pickup thing etc. was exelent cars. For MOST people
>> >>> the range of 200-250 miles is more than adequate.
>>
>> >>> Quick charge stations would have emerged if the market was there.
>>
>> >>> The main problem was the price. The cars was heavily subsidized.
>>
>> >>> At the moment, you can get a Smart car (two seater) for about USD
>> >>> this is with a realy crappy dollar rate offcource, but
>> >>> still...
>>
>> >>Screw GM a friend of my brothers just got a job here:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>says 200 mile range, 0 to 60 in 4 seconds
>>
>> >>I guess they'll sell for 100k a pop, but still.. sound like a blast
>> >>to drive:
>>
>> >> /id/2154425/
>>
>> > Sounds like a bargain, at least in Norway ehere it will be
>> > tax-free. A similar car with gasoline would be 300K
>>
>> > But then again, when will it be sold?
>>
>> > The ENV bike was launched over two years ago, but still noboedy can
>> > buy it.
>>
>> I guess they are taking orders now and due to ship in 08.
>>
>> from the web site:
>>
>> $50,000 reservation payment
>> I would like the next available Tesla roadster slot. Current delivery
>> estimate is July 2008.
>>
>> or
>> $30,000 reservation payment
>> I understand that premium buyers will be placed ahead of me on the
>> list. Current delivery estimate is on or before the fourth quarter of
>> 2008.
>>
>> Just pretending I was going to buy one I went for
>> Two-tone premium interior, $1,800
>> Seven-speaker premium sound system tuned for Tesla Roadster cockpit,
>> $800
>> Tesla Motors custom floor mats, $125
>> Mobile charging system, $500
>>
>> in british racing green for total: $102,175
>>
>> Heck the way the dollar is that is quite a good price for folk in
>> Europe no? I guess shipping would be expensive
>>
>> Get one man!
>
> You should get two and sell one....
>
>

heh i'm off the grid man. I need an electric car like I need a hole in
the head. I wonder how many solar panels it would take to charge up that
car?