sci.energy

On Sep 25, 4:31 pm, John Larkin
wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:29:58 -0000, BradGuth
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Sep 24, 4:22 pm, Punjab The Sailor Man
> >wrote:
> >> BradGuth wrote:
> >> > On Aug 8, 5:47 pm, RichD wrote:
> >> >> On Jul 28, Eeyore wrote:
>
> >> >>>>>> This is another reason why hybrids make more sense. Pure EVs
> >> >>>>>> have too many limitations.
> >> >>>>> If they could recharge in 10 mins, the US power grid would burn out
> >> >>>> What about these?
> >> >>>> /
> >> >>> Shockingly expensive. $75,000 per vehicle just for batteries.
> >> >>> /2006/07/
> >> >> Expensive, who cares? We're talking about the
> >> >> ENVIRONMENT, we can't worry about filty lucre.
> >> >> What are you, a greedy Republican?
>
> >> >> Let the gov't fund it, won't cost a farthing! That's
> >> >> why we need visionaries like Al Gore, bold men
> >> >> not afraid to take on the special interests, leading
> >> >> by example.
>
> >> > I agree. What else is our government good for, if not to impress us
> >> > with all of it's wizardly expertise and can-do mindset.
> >> > -
>
> >> > The all electric car is technically doable, although having even a
> >> > small onboard ICE for the minimal cruising needs of sustaining 60+ mph
> >> > might represent a good compromise, especially if it's contributing
> >> > zero NOx and minimal CO2 at a hybrid usage of 200 empg per fossil fuel
> >> > usage.
>
> >> > The Electric Car /
> >> > /group/ /browse_frm/thre...
> >> > On Sep 22, 5:26 pm, Eeyore
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> BradGuthwrote:
> >> >>> Eeyore wrote:
> >> >>>> BradGuthwrote:
> >> >>>>> Luck has little if anything to do with those regular laws of physics,
> >> >>>>> although the R&D science of getting this 100 empg Hummer or the 200
> >> >>>>> empg GM Volt into the dumbfounded hands of the typical village idiot
> >> >>>>> end-user is going to require some degree of luck.
> >> >>>> The 'regular laws of physics' are going to prevent both of those ever happening.
> >> >>> Arnt you being a silly brown-nosed clown again, and for otherwise
> >> >>> being stuck in that land of naysayism, as representing your one and
> >> >>> only status quo norm.
> >> >> I suggest you find out the frontal area and drag coefficient of a Hummer, plus its
> >> >> weight and rolling resistance.
>
> >> >> If you had the ability to do the required 'sums' I'm sure you'll find that the power
> >> >> required to propel it under a typical driving regime will never allow '100 mpg' or its
> >> >> equivalent. Ditto for 200 mpg and the Volt.
>
> >> > Double ditto right back at you, as I've been there and done that. Of
> >> > course double-ditto-duh once again, as it's hybrid city or local
> >> > commute empg, and having replaced our mostly N2 atmosphere with that
> >> > robust fluid of h2o2, so that we obtain the most clean energy and best
> >> > amount of bang per gallon of whatever fossil or biofuel, is actually
> >> > accomplished within existing physics and doable technology.
>
> >> > I believe the mass ratio is something like roughly 7:1 up to :1 for
> >> > h2o2/c12h26 (hydrogen peroxide / kerosene or RP-1), a little better on
> >> > certain heavier fuel oils such as diesel and perhaps nearly as
> >> > good enough with plain old gasoline, and a bit worse off with certain
> >> > biofuels, though all dual fuel injected and 100% computer controlled
> >> > (of course), so that your little zero NOx engine for that hybrid
> >> > Hummer or GM Volt can safely mix and match to almost any combination
> >> > of fossil and biofuels as your heart desires.
> >> > /
>
> >> > We're also talking about a fairly small radial turbine or some other
> >> > rotary efficient engine that's driving a direct coupled high speed
> >> > alternator. I suppose you've got those insurmountable problems with
> >> > that as well.
>
> >> > What's your sorry excuse for being such an all-knowing naysay stick in
> >> > the mud?
> >> > - Brad Guth -
>
> >> How about a propane hybrid?
>
> >Propane and h2o2 is perfectly fine and dandy, as the given hybrid car,
> >suv or Hummer could manage to operate rather nicely on both at the
> >same time, because there's a lot of clean energy in h2o2/propane to
> >work with.
> >- Brad Guth -
>
> Propane and air would be even better. Propane piston engines are very
> clean and very reliable, rately even needing oil changes.
>
> The shorter the aliphatic chain, the more energy is delivered by
> hydrogen and the less delivered by carbon. Given that methane is kinda
> hard to store, propane (C3H8) or butane (C4H10) are good choices, if
> only we had an economical way to manufacture them.
>
> H2O2 sounds like nasty, dangerous, expensive stuff:
>
> /wiki/Hydrogen_peroxide
>
> /wiki/Hydrogen_peroxide#Hazards
>
> "The saying is 'peroxides kill chemists'"
>
> John

now you've done it, you have blasphemed about guth's god of h2o2,
any mention of the serious and severe dangers with handling,
manufacture and storage of high purity h2o2 provoke full armed
responses from that particular stupid freak.