Group: alt.energy.renewable
From: Erdemal
Date: Saturday, September 22, 2007 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: The Last Gas Station- Stimulating Dishonesty v. Honest BusinessValue

Eeyore wrote:
>
> RadicalModerate wrote:
>
>> Eeyore wrote:
>>
>>> To be fair, Americans could 'give up' a heck of a lot by being more energy
>>> efficient and less wasteful all round and it wouldn't degrade their lifestyle
>>> one jot.
>> So what exactly do you think us Americans should be giving up that won't
>> degrade our lifestyles "one jot"?
>>
>> Sure, one person commuting to work in a V-8 powered SUV or pickup truck is
>> an example of conspicuous consumption.
>
> Precisely and changing just that would make a big difference.

Are you the one that wrote many times that all electric cars look
like 'clown cars' ? For americans our little cars are 'clown cars'.
It's just about the size of the ego. There are less SUVs in Europe
because we dont have $3/gallon gasoline, because it impossible
to park them in our usual parkings or tiny garages and because
our ego has been tuned down 'culturally' to make us more
'plastic'.

>> Do keep in mind a big difference between Britain and the USA - land mass
>> and the distances between places.
>>
>> Should the average American be forced to live in a crowded, dirty, noisy,
>> crime-ridden city and depend on public transportation for mobility?
>
> I don't understand why you think that's the only alternative.
>
>
>> Should the "average American" be expected to give up home and
>> workplace cooling in the summertime at work and home?
>
> Absolutely not. Better insulation would reduce the requirement though.
>

What thickness ? 5/10/20/25 cm ? The saving would at best be
1000-1500$/year for an average home. Why bother ?

>
>> Should the "average American" be expected to make do with whatever
>> fresh fruits and vegetables are "in season" where they live?
>
> An interesting question. Plenty of stuff freezes just fine. Importing
> green beans on jetliners strikes me as being pretty extravagant though.
>

If the energy was solar or green would you accept this.

>
>> . What's the speed limit on the Motorways - 60 mph (100 km/hr) ?
>
> 70 in the UK actually.
>
> Why do you think that's especially important ?

Did you convert to 'ecologism' Eeyeore ?

Erdy